Bellator’s Royce Gracie & Ken Shamrock Recount UFC 1 and UFC 5; Debate Rules + Strategy

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MMA H.E.A.T.’s Wade Eck caught up with Bellator 149’s Royce Gracie and Ken Shamrock and asked them what they thought about their first two fights, which took place under the UFC banner. Scheduled to fight at Bellator 149 on February 19, 2016, both UFC Hall Of Famers recount what happened in their two previous meetings, problems they may have had with the rules and the strategies they employed during the match.

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403 Comments on "Bellator’s Royce Gracie & Ken Shamrock Recount UFC 1 and UFC 5; Debate Rules + Strategy"

  1. I believe Ken – Gracie is talking bullshit excuses. EVERYONE knows the gi is a weapon, but he can’t handle wrestling shoes – NOT used for kicking?!IF it’s a ‘draw’ just the bleeding of Gracie would have lost him the fight in time – which they took away… You can actually easily die from bleeding faster than you can die from suffocation!

  2. Gracie was an absolute cheater. He had some powerful connection in the UFC back then which make him to capitalise and manipulate the fighting style on his own. The current UFC style is the proof. He took advantage from his suits to dominate othe fighters and legimately we cannot conclude him as a great UFC fighter.

  3. Royce we all know now that your Family "owned the show" as we say in North America. You guys set up, who would fight who, and how and in what way.you Took away Ken's shoes, you took away strikers gloves, you took away all things to give little brother the advantage. I was a Huge fan when i seen Gracie win ! ( the smaller guy could beat the big muscle guy!) But the reality is you operated that event like a casino .. NO, like a traveling carnival cheating and changing the rules as it would be beneficial to your School and name. YOU spit in face of Martial arts, you Spit in the face of competitive sports and again the face of all us little fans watching Gaints and Gods battle. Your House has put a black eye on all competitive Martial arts and sports. ( faintly hear a person washing their hands in the background)

  4. Ken says at 03:33 "He wraps a gi around my neck and he chokes me", and that gave me the impression he was sugesting the Royce applied a sleeve choke, instead of a RNC. From the footage of the fight, it's kinda hard to tell because of the angle, since on the moment of the choke the fighters were filmed from behind, but you can still see Royce's right arm in front of Ken's neck and Royce's left hand passing in front of the right hand and on top of Ken's head in classic RNC fashion, even the comentator of the fight tells it like so, plus i've never heard anyone saying it was a sleeve choke (Ezekiel choke). Maybe what Ken meant to say is that Royce was using the gi to hold on to the position (wich Royce doesn't deny) and then choked him (via rear naked choke). The weird thing is on wikipedia the result of the fight is registered as sleeve choke (maybe the person who wrote it saw this interview and got confused?!?), but on sherdog it's registered as RNC. So after all the gi was used as a tool throughout the fight, but it wasn't what got Shamrock choked. It was interesting to hear Ken Shamrock's take on it, but i wonder if he had the false impression, during the choke, that he was being choked with the gi, probably because he didn't even knew he could get choked from that position, and just stuck with that opinion after so long.

  5. Royce: "Ow cood piano wire be used as weapon?! It make the moosic, yoo no? See I disadvantaged because it not shotgun!"Nah. There was nothing about shoes when Ken signed the contract. If he had to drop the shoes, you should've had to drop the gi.You can cry about how much more Ken weighed than you, but you always knew that going into the UFC there'd be guys way bigger than you. Ken had no idea he wouldn't get to fight like he trained: with shoes.Fighters fight how they train, any amateur will tell you that. Ken got cheated.

  6. Of course Ken is right, there’s a reason you can’t wear a gi or shoes now. They’re both weapons/tools/liabilities. MMA has safer rules now. It’s the simplest thing to comprehend. Loved them both back in the day and they’re both legends. Royce knows damn well a gi is not usable against him, if you grab someone’s gi you’re leaving all their limbs free to do whatever they want to you. If Kens hands are gripping his gi Royce would be free to put him into multiple submissions. Double edged sword all in favor of Gracie.

  7. Royce should know that size never matters. A skinny guy can knock out a bigger guy with one punch. Its called technique. I remember that second fight well, Shamrock kicked his ass.

  8. Yeah that's bullshit, the guy literally choked Shamrock out using the gi and he's going to sit there and act like wearing the gi didn't give him an unfair advantage. He's a great fighter, but that's bullocks. Gracie used the gi throughout their second fight as well to keep Shamrock from fully mounting him during the fight, it gave Gracie a firmer hold on Shamrock during the fight. Every single one of their fights is controversial and the controversy always favored Gracie.

  9. UFC 5 Shamrock beat Gracie up. Everyone sees it if they watch the fight, even though it was a boring fight.. Gracie looked like he has a hit by the truck, while shamrock looked like nothing had happened, and he had been walking in the park..

  10. After hearing about some of the shady shit Royce and his family pulled I can understand why he didn't last in the UFC. Shamrock was a true legend and far surpassed Royce in the MMA world even after all that stuff went down.

  11. Okay hallways you're a f**** liar yes or no did your brother horian take his shoes away because that's a tool as well you're allowed to have your belt in yorgey but he can't have his shoes voice you're not telling the truth

  12. I don't know why Ken keeps insisting that he beat Royce up in his guard in the 2nd fight, Sakamura beat Royce up in his guard, but not you Ken. I actually considered his guard defense on you as a picture perfect example of mitigating a bigger guy when you're on bottom. The only great shot you landed is the shot from your feet after they stood you back up, and whenever they stood you guys back up it was a DISADVANTAGE for Royce and an advantage for you!! Royce doesn't even know how to throw a punch lol.

  13. Man i used to love watching gracie fight when i was a kid watching the ufc start, but afterr listening to ken explain and then gracie, wow man gracie is a arrogant self absorb sore loser and a jagoff, he cant admit that he lost the 2nd fight, shamrock admits that he tapped, i just view it differently yrs later as i grew up

  14. Bob

    Time has vindicated ken shamrock. Royce acts like a kid who got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. How do call that 2nd fight a draw? Some bullshit.I'd love to see a rematch Today.

  15. It’s funny, Ken has a woody for Gracie because of past losses and bs the same way that Dan Severn has one for him. Now that would have been the real tiebreaker fight there but you’ll notice how Ken seems to want nothing to do with it

  16. Royce won the first, Ken won the second on points IMO, so let's see it again, 2 past they're best fighters who have suffered multiple defeats between them, let's see these two fight one more time, no shoes or gee and see who comes out on top

  17. Ken is making up excuses about UFC 1. But Royce is making up excuses about UFC 5. UFC 1 Ken lost fair and square. UFC 5, Ken won that fight. Not officially but he won that fight. By virtually any criteria he won. UFC 4 & 5 is also where the “magic” of GJJ ended. No longer did Royce seem invincible and after UFC 5 Royce bailed. When the going got tough, he bailed.

    And Royce never replicated the same level of success ever again, and actually lost fights legitimately. Most devastating was against Matt Hughes. Hughes made short work of him and even politely said he was surprised at how easy of an opponent Royce was.

    But look at Royce’s career. He’s barely fought after UFC 5 where Ken made competition his career. Had Royce kept going and fighting regularly, hid losses would’ve racked up. Royce was great when no one knew grappling. But once they caught on, he was finished.

  18. Ken can beat Royce anyday on anything other than Gracie terms . If shoes are a weapon so is a Gi. Shamrock clearly won second fight. How could Royce win if he was beat to shit. Royce cheated on 3rd fight with knee to Shamrocks groin.

  19. Royce sounds like an idiot and doesn’t stay on point at all. They did their level best to put the son, Royce, in the best possible situation to be successful. Last minute changes and especially changing during the match is pathetic.

  20. I like both quite a bit from back in the day. My opinion used to be that I thought Ken whined a lot about it. I used to think "c'mon Ken. You're better than that." Then I saw a Bill Wallace interview. He was the announcer for UFC 1. He's also a martial arts icon. Anyway, he had some astute opinions that kind of changed my mind to Ken's way of thinking. I still respect both guys quite a bit. No spoilers on what Bill Wallace's opinions were. If anyone's interested ya can google "Bill Wallace talks about UFC1."

  21. It’s sad there’s still so much animosity between these 2. Reminds me of Ali and Frazier. Bitter tension til the very end. In the perfect world I’d imagine Royce Gracie, Ken Shamrock, and Dan Severn hanging out at the bar, doing shows together, and being best friends

  22. It must be hard for real fighters to lose a fight, both men are legends. (Ken does have a point about the gi being a weapon) however Royce also has a point…. the gi can also work in the favour of the opponent because the wearer of the gi becomes much easier to grab and manoeuver. Regardless, Ken sounds like he is whining about the past. Royce won fair and square.

  23. One guy would not last 30 seconds in today's MMA and the other would !! Just saying. That old man that called the very first UFC fight said the Gracie family set it up so only they could win. He never was invited back

  24. Shamrock has cried about every fight hes ever lost. I remember when Tito beat his ass he cried and bitched, got a rematch, Tito smashed him again.Still Ken cried and bitched. Third fight, Tito didn't finish him quick, he punished Shamrock. Really beat the shit out of him. Ken didn't want anymore.

  25. Complete bullshit. Ken is just making shit up and there are photos to prove it. Royce did NOT use the gi in their first fight and ken was told he could wear the shoes as long as he didn't kick. If shoes weren't allowed, why did Art Jimmerson wear them? This is just Ken Shamrock lying again for the umpteenth time for a quarter-century. As for the second fight and who I would rather have been? Let's see do I want a mouse under my eye or have my kidneys so beat up by heel kicks that I piss blood for a week? The former, thank you. And Royce was not "carried out of the ring". That's just another Ken Shamrock lie.

  26. The Debate is simple, if Gracie was truly confident, it would not and SHOULD not matter if the opponent is wearing shoes or not. Pussy garbage fighter sounds like a kid that doesn’t know how to play with friends and makes his own rules to give home self advantage

  27. Royce is a jiujitsu practitioner that won purely on his art form and showed the world just how effective Brazilian Jiujitsu was. More like an infomercial for his art and it worked. And Gracie's had to protect him in the event but Shamrock was probably the first MMA fighter with decent all around skills. In the long run it worked bc had Royce lost UFC would not have become what it is today, along with ground submission fighting.

  28. Ken actually claims he beat Royce up in their second fight. That’s just funny! He hid, face down, in Royce’s guard for 35 minutes and barely threw any strikes because he was too afraid. I cannot believe Ken has himself convinced he was giving Royce a beating. He should be completely ashamed of how he fought that second fight.


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    Ken Shamrock is right…. That's why you can't wear Gi, nor shoes in a MMA fight.

  30. That fucking Brazilian trash is gonna sit there and say he sat on top of me while you’ve pulled guard every damn fight you ever fought. Fucking typical, anyone who still respects the Gracie “clan’s” constant and ever growing lies is a piece of honorless shit. I was in person at ufc 60 when matt hughes snapped your arm and I heard that shit snap myself, Gracie jujitsu’s superiority at work huh. How you say, little violin?

  31. the first UFCs were all taylor made to make royce gracie win. they didnt even want to bring in ken they tried to keep him out of UFC 1 because they didnt want a wrestler fighting there golden boy royce they thought there was a chance he could lose. and they let him use his gi and art jimerson a boxing glove but nothing for shamrock? behind the scenes they were trying to make rocye win on purpose to push his teaching school to make money thats what is was all about. you can see the look on royces face he has a guilty conscious he really isnt all that great hes got alot of phony shit following him so quit fucking praising him you followers

    • wow royces bullshit is for real too 4:46 he says shamrock kept him down and just layed on him so he couldnt fight ken?? BRO you wanted it on the ground lmao you didnt want to fight standing up you would get beat up all you do is dive in for a take down or hope that you can clinch on the ground and you couldnt pull anything off. what a bunch of bullshit ken won that 2nd fight the people behind the scenes COMPLETLEY sided with royce to call it a draw.

  32. If anybody was equipped to demolish the competition and win the UFC's back then, it was Ken Shamrock, his striking was better, he was stronger, he knew how to grapple extensively including devastating leglocks..and he was jacked!! …even in the 2nd match, Shamrock still could not finish the match. Shamrock is probably 1 of the greatest fighters ever, but he is delusional.

  33. Royce didnt take off his gee and strangle Ken with it..but I agree that Ken should have been allowed to wear shoes. I thought that in their second fight Ken was tying up the fight and Royce was hitting him in the side head, but Ken didn't move and was tying up the fight.

  34. Royce didnt take off his gee and strangle Ken with it..but I agree that Ken should have been allowed to wear shoes. I thought that in their second fight Ken was tying up the fight and Royce was hitting him in the side head, but Ken didn't move and was tying up the fight.

  35. the second fight wasn't a draw, it was an ass kicking. gracies made the rules no weight class Royce is such a fucking hypocrite. Matt Hughes made weight and vs Royce was the most 1 sided fight in mma minus a 1 hot ko. Royce is a cunt

  36. the second fight wasn't a draw, it was an ass kicking. gracies made the rules no weight class Royce is such a fucking hypocrite. Matt Hughes made weight and vs Royce was the most 1 sided fight in mma minus a 1 hot ko. Royce is a cunt

  37. damn it… I sure wish Gracie and Ken Shamrock were best friends … And to all you youngsters who won the trash Gracie just listen to the last words he said on this tape… It's important he can't understand it you don't understand Jack!

  38. damn it… I sure wish Gracie and Ken Shamrock were best friends … And to all you youngsters who won the trash Gracie just listen to the last words he said on this tape… It's important he can't understand it you don't understand Jack!

  39. Shamrock may be an idiot to some but the Gracie's can be real assholes who like to think they are MMA and use passive aggressive comments and bullshit to hide the fact they are irrelevant now days – Yeah they had their day, BJJ isn't that hard to combat anymore, MMA has moved on and Bjj i just one too lin the tool box – Conor McGregor and Wonder Boy Thompson are living proof of that fact

  40. Shamrock may be an idiot to some but the Gracie's can be real assholes who like to think they are MMA and use passive aggressive comments and bullshit to hide the fact they are irrelevant now days – Yeah they had their day, BJJ isn't that hard to combat anymore, MMA has moved on and Bjj i just one too lin the tool box – Conor McGregor and Wonder Boy Thompson are living proof of that fact

  41. Every Gracie besides Rickson and Royler are fucking twats, Royce thinks he's tough shit, but he got his ass whooped in real MMA, and the only time he competed in grappling he got strangled, and the he was fucking butthurt that Eddie Bravo killed Gracie Jiu Jitsu. Royce is a fucking disgrace to Helio Gracie

  42. Shamrock is full of shit "I fall back, I pull him on top of me" Bullshit! Royce made sure to follow you as you went back for the heel hook. "He wraps his Gi around my neck" Bullshit! He wrapped his arm around your neck and grabbed his own Gi. Shamrock cries about not being allowed to wear shoes, Shoes are not allowed to this day! Would it be ok to kick to head while wearing shoes???

  43. Shamrock is full of shit "I fall back, I pull him on top of me" Bullshit! Royce made sure to follow you as you went back for the heel hook. "He wraps his Gi around my neck" Bullshit! He wrapped his arm around your neck and grabbed his own Gi. Shamrock cries about not being allowed to wear shoes, Shoes are not allowed to this day! Would it be ok to kick to head while wearing shoes???

  44. I hate when Ken talks of the second fight and says he "beat him up". I kind of support him in his first claim about the shoes, but every time he mentions the second fight in any interview I want to throw something at him. He was such a coward in that one. All he did was use his substantial weight advantage to lie on Royce for 30 minutes. And after all that, he could not finish, largely because he did not dare to make any real move… but he talks as though he schooled the Gracies.

  45. I hate when Ken talks of the second fight and says he "beat him up". I kind of support him in his first claim about the shoes, but every time he mentions the second fight in any interview I want to throw something at him. He was such a coward in that one. All he did was use his substantial weight advantage to lie on Royce for 30 minutes. And after all that, he could not finish, largely because he did not dare to make any real move… but he talks as though he schooled the Gracies.

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  48. Weight classes suck, the lighter weight fighters do not get to showcase their skills against the bigger opponents like in the old days, lightweights cannot finish the heavyweights hoyce says but he used to beat people of any size back in the day, I think he has forgot what true martial arts is, the smaller guy beating the bigger guy…wake up Hoyce…

  49. Weight classes suck, the lighter weight fighters do not get to showcase their skills against the bigger opponents like in the old days, lightweights cannot finish the heavyweights hoyce says but he used to beat people of any size back in the day, I think he has forgot what true martial arts is, the smaller guy beating the bigger guy…wake up Hoyce…

  50. Ken has a point when he says his boot was a weapon and the gi isnt considered one when it is. If you're gonna wear a Gi then dont use it for a choke, if youre gonna wear a boot, then dont use it to stomp, thats why todays game doesnt allow both gi or boots.

  51. Ken has a point when he says his boot was a weapon and the gi isnt considered one when it is. If you're gonna wear a Gi then dont use it for a choke, if youre gonna wear a boot, then dont use it to stomp, thats why todays game doesnt allow both gi or boots.

  52. IMO Ken has got a point when you consider WHY was Gracie's wank wank over Ken's excuse, if they wanked wanked themselves prior to UFC 1 event.  In other words, Gracie's wanked themselves enough to ban Ken's shoes in UFC 1.  Now when Ken mentions it, they call him for making a dumb excuse. Not to mention, Brazilians admit that "Brazilian" style is known to be a bit shady, or edging for tiny advantages.  Or taking away ones comfort even if it's only minor.  (with all due respect)

  53. IMO Ken has got a point when you consider WHY was Gracie's wank wank over Ken's excuse, if they wanked wanked themselves prior to UFC 1 event.  In other words, Gracie's wanked themselves enough to ban Ken's shoes in UFC 1.  Now when Ken mentions it, they call him for making a dumb excuse. Not to mention, Brazilians admit that "Brazilian" style is known to be a bit shady, or edging for tiny advantages.  Or taking away ones comfort even if it's only minor.  (with all due respect)

  54. I believe Ken, the Gracies back in the day use to do the rule changing like they wear the GI and no shoes for others BS all the time. I am a Gracie fan not a Gracie hater but they did do good marketing to make themselves look good.

  55. I have that fight in my collection and Ken landed a really hard punch in overtime that bruised Royce's face, but it was really a stale mate up to that point. Shamrock laid in his gaurd for a full 30 minutes, even the announcers were suggesting that Shamrock may have been afraid to move, because of Gracie's skill. I think Shamrock may have the edge in this fight though. I think he as evolved more. He still out weighs him and both are close to 50 years old.  It's a bit irritating to listen to Shamrock claiming that he beat Royce up. Neither did much in that fight and it was decared a draw.

  56. I have that fight in my collection and Ken landed a really hard punch in overtime that bruised Royce's face, but it was really a stale mate up to that point. Shamrock laid in his gaurd for a full 30 minutes, even the announcers were suggesting that Shamrock may have been afraid to move, because of Gracie's skill. I think Shamrock may have the edge in this fight though. I think he as evolved more. He still out weighs him and both are close to 50 years old.  It's a bit irritating to listen to Shamrock claiming that he beat Royce up. Neither did much in that fight and it was decared a draw.

  57. Here is why Shamrock is a liar…
    He claims that Royce "wrapped the gi around Kens hand" survey says X..that never happened. Then he claims that he "pulled Royce on top of him" XX NOPE!! Shamrock laid back for the same heel-hook that he was successful doing to Pat Smith. Basic white-belt technique taught at the Gracie Academy is to follow the person and either grab the gi collar or the neck in a no gi situation.
    Last but not least Ken claims that "Royce choked him with the GI…XXX!!! wrong again doucher! Royce choked him with a rear naked choke. No gi was used in tapping your steroid dumb-ass out!
    Shamrock needs to watch that fight again…He's a lying piece of shit.

  58. Here is why Shamrock is a liar…
    He claims that Royce "wrapped the gi around Kens hand" survey says X..that never happened. Then he claims that he "pulled Royce on top of him" XX NOPE!! Shamrock laid back for the same heel-hook that he was successful doing to Pat Smith. Basic white-belt technique taught at the Gracie Academy is to follow the person and either grab the gi collar or the neck in a no gi situation.
    Last but not least Ken claims that "Royce choked him with the GI…XXX!!! wrong again doucher! Royce choked him with a rear naked choke. No gi was used in tapping your steroid dumb-ass out!
    Shamrock needs to watch that fight again…He's a lying piece of shit.

  59. Ken is simply lying about the gi in UFC 1. Royce didn't use the gi against him at any point. Go back and watch the fight. Royce never tied him up with the gi, and the choke was an ordinary rear naked choke.

  60. Two legends! However, the only reason Royce was chosen for the initial UFCs, is because Rickson was way too scary and the point of Gracie BJJ was to show that a small guy could defeat larger opponents. Respect for both, but Bellator is a joke!

  61. Two legends! However, the only reason Royce was chosen for the initial UFCs, is because Rickson was way too scary and the point of Gracie BJJ was to show that a small guy could defeat larger opponents. Respect for both, but Bellator is a joke!

  62. Royce has a point about Shamrock being 40 lbs. heavier and stronger. Shamrock should have been more aggressive and not just lay on him. Shamrock didn't win that fight, it was a draw. It's true what he states: If Klitschko could not take out Conor McGregor, he should be ashamed of himself. Back when the fight happened, I never understood why Shamrock was acting all pompous in the cage as if he won something. He didn't. Instead he was notorious for injuring himself (Brian Johnston, Felix Mitchell) or just laying on a weaker opponent for wins (Oleg Taktarov, Royce).

    • +p4horror Technically speaking it's true as it was called a draw at the time. Nowadays however, I think it's pretty obvious that it would've been scored towards Ken.

      If we'e talking advantages, 20+ years of BJJ probably makes up for the weight advantage if not an over compensation, at least in the first fight. Both fighters are fighting for their own cases here, iirc Royce actually entered that fight at about 190 and Ken dropped down to about 200, still a definite advantage but not quite 40 lbs.
      Being a Gracie inspired event, Iv'e actually heard about some shady practices that may have influenced certain results in their favour from changing rules on the fly to scheduling; it's also not the first time that I've heard about the time being dictated to refs during that fight by Royce's corner either.

      Not to call anyone a cheat, hate to do that without any direct evidence but I think it's fair to present all potential variables. Both of these men are legends and pioneered the sport in their own right.

  63. Royce has a point about Shamrock being 40 lbs. heavier and stronger. Shamrock should have been more aggressive and not just lay on him. Shamrock didn't win that fight, it was a draw. It's true what he states: If Klitschko could not take out Conor McGregor, he should be ashamed of himself. Back when the fight happened, I never understood why Shamrock was acting all pompous in the cage as if he won something. He didn't. Instead he was notorious for injuring himself (Brian Johnston, Felix Mitchell) or just laying on a weaker opponent for wins (Oleg Taktarov, Royce).

    • +p4horror Technically speaking it's true as it was called a draw at the time. Nowadays however, I think it's pretty obvious that it would've been scored towards Ken.

      If we'e talking advantages, 20+ years of BJJ probably makes up for the weight advantage if not an over compensation, at least in the first fight. Both fighters are fighting for their own cases here, iirc Royce actually entered that fight at about 190 and Ken dropped down to about 200, still a definite advantage but not quite 40 lbs.
      Being a Gracie inspired event, Iv'e actually heard about some shady practices that may have influenced certain results in their favour from changing rules on the fly to scheduling; it's also not the first time that I've heard about the time being dictated to refs during that fight by Royce's corner either.

      Not to call anyone a cheat, hate to do that without any direct evidence but I think it's fair to present all potential variables. Both of these men are legends and pioneered the sport in their own right.

  64. I watched that "super" fight, when it happened. Gracie(s) succeeded prior to that because he (they) wait, they step back, they wait for the opponent to attack and open themselves up then actually fight. Now Hoyce wants to hide behind GJ as a 'style' to do nothing offensively? Hold up, Ken waited defensively but still beat Hoyce's ass in UFC V. You say Ken is the one who did nothing? Hoyce sits back and fake punches and fake kicks to get the opponent to actually attack so they are open. Sorry Hoyce, Ken figured out your family's 80+ year tradition in one single fight. He then came back and dished up some of your own style AND at the same time beat your ass so that you had to be carried out of the arena.

  65. I watched that "super" fight, when it happened. Gracie(s) succeeded prior to that because he (they) wait, they step back, they wait for the opponent to attack and open themselves up then actually fight. Now Hoyce wants to hide behind GJ as a 'style' to do nothing offensively? Hold up, Ken waited defensively but still beat Hoyce's ass in UFC V. You say Ken is the one who did nothing? Hoyce sits back and fake punches and fake kicks to get the opponent to actually attack so they are open. Sorry Hoyce, Ken figured out your family's 80+ year tradition in one single fight. He then came back and dished up some of your own style AND at the same time beat your ass so that you had to be carried out of the arena.

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