Bellator’s Royce Gracie & Ken Shamrock Recount UFC 1 and UFC 5; Debate Rules + Strategy

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MMA H.E.A.T.’s Wade Eck caught up with Bellator 149’s Royce Gracie and Ken Shamrock and asked them what they thought about their first two fights, which took place under the UFC banner. Scheduled to fight at Bellator 149 on February 19, 2016, both UFC Hall Of Famers recount what happened in their two previous meetings, problems they may have had with the rules and the strategies they employed during the match.

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Wade Eck co-founded MMA H.E.A.T., a headline-making production company dedicated to covering the sport of Mixed Martial Arts. He directed and produced 23 half-hour MMA H.E.A.T. television episodes for MAVTV, earning recognition as the cable network’s most-watched show. Wade formulated and continues to supervise the company’s social media strategy, which has successfully grown the MMA H.E.A.T. Facebook following to over 150,000 subscribers. To date, he's produced and distributed over 3000 YouTube videos on the KarynBryant and MMAHEAT channels; those videos have exceeded 180 million cumulative views. He also currently oversees MMA H.E.A.T.’s YouTube Multi-Channel Network (MCN) of 700,000+ subscribers. In addition to MMA H.E.A.T., Wade founded MMA Help, an online destination for individuals looking to acquire knowledge of martial arts techniques, training and pertinent educational information within the MMA industry. MMAHelp.com produces online content consisting of “How To” videos featuring all of the major fighters, celebrities and trainers within the MMA industry. Full length professional training sessions are also filmed, including LIVE streams where questions can be asked in real-time. For anyone who ever wondered “what the pros do” in their workout sessions, MMAhelp.com provides a front row seat!

308 Comments on "Bellator’s Royce Gracie & Ken Shamrock Recount UFC 1 and UFC 5; Debate Rules + Strategy"

  1. I like both quite a bit from back in the day. My opinion used to be that I thought Ken whined a lot about it. I used to think "c'mon Ken. You're better than that." Then I saw a Bill Wallace interview. He was the announcer for UFC 1. He's also a martial arts icon. Anyway, he had some astute opinions that kind of changed my mind to Ken's way of thinking. I still respect both guys quite a bit. No spoilers on what Bill Wallace's opinions were. If anyone's interested ya can google "Bill Wallace talks about UFC1."

  2. It’s sad there’s still so much animosity between these 2. Reminds me of Ali and Frazier. Bitter tension til the very end. In the perfect world I’d imagine Royce Gracie, Ken Shamrock, and Dan Severn hanging out at the bar, doing shows together, and being best friends

  3. It must be hard for real fighters to lose a fight, both men are legends. (Ken does have a point about the gi being a weapon) however Royce also has a point…. the gi can also work in the favour of the opponent because the wearer of the gi becomes much easier to grab and manoeuver. Regardless, Ken sounds like he is whining about the past. Royce won fair and square.

  4. One guy would not last 30 seconds in today's MMA and the other would !! Just saying. That old man that called the very first UFC fight said the Gracie family set it up so only they could win. He never was invited back

  5. Shamrock has cried about every fight hes ever lost. I remember when Tito beat his ass he cried and bitched, got a rematch, Tito smashed him again.Still Ken cried and bitched. Third fight, Tito didn't finish him quick, he punished Shamrock. Really beat the shit out of him. Ken didn't want anymore.

  6. Complete bullshit. Ken is just making shit up and there are photos to prove it. Royce did NOT use the gi in their first fight and ken was told he could wear the shoes as long as he didn't kick. If shoes weren't allowed, why did Art Jimmerson wear them? This is just Ken Shamrock lying again for the umpteenth time for a quarter-century. As for the second fight and who I would rather have been? Let's see do I want a mouse under my eye or have my kidneys so beat up by heel kicks that I piss blood for a week? The former, thank you. And Royce was not "carried out of the ring". That's just another Ken Shamrock lie.

  7. The Debate is simple, if Gracie was truly confident, it would not and SHOULD not matter if the opponent is wearing shoes or not. Pussy garbage fighter sounds like a kid that doesn’t know how to play with friends and makes his own rules to give home self advantage

  8. Royce is a jiujitsu practitioner that won purely on his art form and showed the world just how effective Brazilian Jiujitsu was. More like an infomercial for his art and it worked. And Gracie's had to protect him in the event but Shamrock was probably the first MMA fighter with decent all around skills. In the long run it worked bc had Royce lost UFC would not have become what it is today, along with ground submission fighting.

  9. Ken actually claims he beat Royce up in their second fight. That’s just funny! He hid, face down, in Royce’s guard for 35 minutes and barely threw any strikes because he was too afraid. I cannot believe Ken has himself convinced he was giving Royce a beating. He should be completely ashamed of how he fought that second fight.


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    Ken Shamrock is right…. That's why you can't wear Gi, nor shoes in a MMA fight.

  11. That fucking Brazilian trash is gonna sit there and say he sat on top of me while you’ve pulled guard every damn fight you ever fought. Fucking typical, anyone who still respects the Gracie “clan’s” constant and ever growing lies is a piece of honorless shit. I was in person at ufc 60 when matt hughes snapped your arm and I heard that shit snap myself, Gracie jujitsu’s superiority at work huh. How you say, little violin?

  12. the first UFCs were all taylor made to make royce gracie win. they didnt even want to bring in ken they tried to keep him out of UFC 1 because they didnt want a wrestler fighting there golden boy royce they thought there was a chance he could lose. and they let him use his gi and art jimerson a boxing glove but nothing for shamrock? behind the scenes they were trying to make rocye win on purpose to push his teaching school to make money thats what is was all about. you can see the look on royces face he has a guilty conscious he really isnt all that great hes got alot of phony shit following him so quit fucking praising him you followers

    • wow royces bullshit is for real too 4:46 he says shamrock kept him down and just layed on him so he couldnt fight ken?? BRO you wanted it on the ground lmao you didnt want to fight standing up you would get beat up all you do is dive in for a take down or hope that you can clinch on the ground and you couldnt pull anything off. what a bunch of bullshit ken won that 2nd fight the people behind the scenes COMPLETLEY sided with royce to call it a draw.

  13. If anybody was equipped to demolish the competition and win the UFC's back then, it was Ken Shamrock, his striking was better, he was stronger, he knew how to grapple extensively including devastating leglocks..and he was jacked!! …even in the 2nd match, Shamrock still could not finish the match. Shamrock is probably 1 of the greatest fighters ever, but he is delusional.

  14. Royce didnt take off his gee and strangle Ken with it..but I agree that Ken should have been allowed to wear shoes. I thought that in their second fight Ken was tying up the fight and Royce was hitting him in the side head, but Ken didn't move and was tying up the fight.

  15. Royce didnt take off his gee and strangle Ken with it..but I agree that Ken should have been allowed to wear shoes. I thought that in their second fight Ken was tying up the fight and Royce was hitting him in the side head, but Ken didn't move and was tying up the fight.

  16. the second fight wasn't a draw, it was an ass kicking. gracies made the rules no weight class Royce is such a fucking hypocrite. Matt Hughes made weight and vs Royce was the most 1 sided fight in mma minus a 1 hot ko. Royce is a cunt

  17. the second fight wasn't a draw, it was an ass kicking. gracies made the rules no weight class Royce is such a fucking hypocrite. Matt Hughes made weight and vs Royce was the most 1 sided fight in mma minus a 1 hot ko. Royce is a cunt

  18. damn it… I sure wish Gracie and Ken Shamrock were best friends … And to all you youngsters who won the trash Gracie just listen to the last words he said on this tape… It's important he can't understand it you don't understand Jack!

  19. damn it… I sure wish Gracie and Ken Shamrock were best friends … And to all you youngsters who won the trash Gracie just listen to the last words he said on this tape… It's important he can't understand it you don't understand Jack!

  20. Shamrock may be an idiot to some but the Gracie's can be real assholes who like to think they are MMA and use passive aggressive comments and bullshit to hide the fact they are irrelevant now days – Yeah they had their day, BJJ isn't that hard to combat anymore, MMA has moved on and Bjj i just one too lin the tool box – Conor McGregor and Wonder Boy Thompson are living proof of that fact

  21. Shamrock may be an idiot to some but the Gracie's can be real assholes who like to think they are MMA and use passive aggressive comments and bullshit to hide the fact they are irrelevant now days – Yeah they had their day, BJJ isn't that hard to combat anymore, MMA has moved on and Bjj i just one too lin the tool box – Conor McGregor and Wonder Boy Thompson are living proof of that fact

  22. Every Gracie besides Rickson and Royler are fucking twats, Royce thinks he's tough shit, but he got his ass whooped in real MMA, and the only time he competed in grappling he got strangled, and the he was fucking butthurt that Eddie Bravo killed Gracie Jiu Jitsu. Royce is a fucking disgrace to Helio Gracie

  23. Shamrock is full of shit "I fall back, I pull him on top of me" Bullshit! Royce made sure to follow you as you went back for the heel hook. "He wraps his Gi around my neck" Bullshit! He wrapped his arm around your neck and grabbed his own Gi. Shamrock cries about not being allowed to wear shoes, Shoes are not allowed to this day! Would it be ok to kick to head while wearing shoes???

  24. Shamrock is full of shit "I fall back, I pull him on top of me" Bullshit! Royce made sure to follow you as you went back for the heel hook. "He wraps his Gi around my neck" Bullshit! He wrapped his arm around your neck and grabbed his own Gi. Shamrock cries about not being allowed to wear shoes, Shoes are not allowed to this day! Would it be ok to kick to head while wearing shoes???

  25. I hate when Ken talks of the second fight and says he "beat him up". I kind of support him in his first claim about the shoes, but every time he mentions the second fight in any interview I want to throw something at him. He was such a coward in that one. All he did was use his substantial weight advantage to lie on Royce for 30 minutes. And after all that, he could not finish, largely because he did not dare to make any real move… but he talks as though he schooled the Gracies.

  26. I hate when Ken talks of the second fight and says he "beat him up". I kind of support him in his first claim about the shoes, but every time he mentions the second fight in any interview I want to throw something at him. He was such a coward in that one. All he did was use his substantial weight advantage to lie on Royce for 30 minutes. And after all that, he could not finish, largely because he did not dare to make any real move… but he talks as though he schooled the Gracies.

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  29. Weight classes suck, the lighter weight fighters do not get to showcase their skills against the bigger opponents like in the old days, lightweights cannot finish the heavyweights hoyce says but he used to beat people of any size back in the day, I think he has forgot what true martial arts is, the smaller guy beating the bigger guy…wake up Hoyce…

  30. Weight classes suck, the lighter weight fighters do not get to showcase their skills against the bigger opponents like in the old days, lightweights cannot finish the heavyweights hoyce says but he used to beat people of any size back in the day, I think he has forgot what true martial arts is, the smaller guy beating the bigger guy…wake up Hoyce…

  31. Ken has a point when he says his boot was a weapon and the gi isnt considered one when it is. If you're gonna wear a Gi then dont use it for a choke, if youre gonna wear a boot, then dont use it to stomp, thats why todays game doesnt allow both gi or boots.

  32. Ken has a point when he says his boot was a weapon and the gi isnt considered one when it is. If you're gonna wear a Gi then dont use it for a choke, if youre gonna wear a boot, then dont use it to stomp, thats why todays game doesnt allow both gi or boots.

  33. IMO Ken has got a point when you consider WHY was Gracie's wank wank over Ken's excuse, if they wanked wanked themselves prior to UFC 1 event.  In other words, Gracie's wanked themselves enough to ban Ken's shoes in UFC 1.  Now when Ken mentions it, they call him for making a dumb excuse. Not to mention, Brazilians admit that "Brazilian" style is known to be a bit shady, or edging for tiny advantages.  Or taking away ones comfort even if it's only minor.  (with all due respect)

  34. IMO Ken has got a point when you consider WHY was Gracie's wank wank over Ken's excuse, if they wanked wanked themselves prior to UFC 1 event.  In other words, Gracie's wanked themselves enough to ban Ken's shoes in UFC 1.  Now when Ken mentions it, they call him for making a dumb excuse. Not to mention, Brazilians admit that "Brazilian" style is known to be a bit shady, or edging for tiny advantages.  Or taking away ones comfort even if it's only minor.  (with all due respect)

  35. I believe Ken, the Gracies back in the day use to do the rule changing like they wear the GI and no shoes for others BS all the time. I am a Gracie fan not a Gracie hater but they did do good marketing to make themselves look good.

  36. I have that fight in my collection and Ken landed a really hard punch in overtime that bruised Royce's face, but it was really a stale mate up to that point. Shamrock laid in his gaurd for a full 30 minutes, even the announcers were suggesting that Shamrock may have been afraid to move, because of Gracie's skill. I think Shamrock may have the edge in this fight though. I think he as evolved more. He still out weighs him and both are close to 50 years old.  It's a bit irritating to listen to Shamrock claiming that he beat Royce up. Neither did much in that fight and it was decared a draw.

  37. I have that fight in my collection and Ken landed a really hard punch in overtime that bruised Royce's face, but it was really a stale mate up to that point. Shamrock laid in his gaurd for a full 30 minutes, even the announcers were suggesting that Shamrock may have been afraid to move, because of Gracie's skill. I think Shamrock may have the edge in this fight though. I think he as evolved more. He still out weighs him and both are close to 50 years old.  It's a bit irritating to listen to Shamrock claiming that he beat Royce up. Neither did much in that fight and it was decared a draw.

  38. Here is why Shamrock is a liar…
    He claims that Royce "wrapped the gi around Kens hand" survey says X..that never happened. Then he claims that he "pulled Royce on top of him" XX NOPE!! Shamrock laid back for the same heel-hook that he was successful doing to Pat Smith. Basic white-belt technique taught at the Gracie Academy is to follow the person and either grab the gi collar or the neck in a no gi situation.
    Last but not least Ken claims that "Royce choked him with the GI…XXX!!! wrong again doucher! Royce choked him with a rear naked choke. No gi was used in tapping your steroid dumb-ass out!
    Shamrock needs to watch that fight again…He's a lying piece of shit.

  39. Here is why Shamrock is a liar…
    He claims that Royce "wrapped the gi around Kens hand" survey says X..that never happened. Then he claims that he "pulled Royce on top of him" XX NOPE!! Shamrock laid back for the same heel-hook that he was successful doing to Pat Smith. Basic white-belt technique taught at the Gracie Academy is to follow the person and either grab the gi collar or the neck in a no gi situation.
    Last but not least Ken claims that "Royce choked him with the GI…XXX!!! wrong again doucher! Royce choked him with a rear naked choke. No gi was used in tapping your steroid dumb-ass out!
    Shamrock needs to watch that fight again…He's a lying piece of shit.

  40. Ken is simply lying about the gi in UFC 1. Royce didn't use the gi against him at any point. Go back and watch the fight. Royce never tied him up with the gi, and the choke was an ordinary rear naked choke.

  41. Two legends! However, the only reason Royce was chosen for the initial UFCs, is because Rickson was way too scary and the point of Gracie BJJ was to show that a small guy could defeat larger opponents. Respect for both, but Bellator is a joke!

  42. Two legends! However, the only reason Royce was chosen for the initial UFCs, is because Rickson was way too scary and the point of Gracie BJJ was to show that a small guy could defeat larger opponents. Respect for both, but Bellator is a joke!

  43. Royce has a point about Shamrock being 40 lbs. heavier and stronger. Shamrock should have been more aggressive and not just lay on him. Shamrock didn't win that fight, it was a draw. It's true what he states: If Klitschko could not take out Conor McGregor, he should be ashamed of himself. Back when the fight happened, I never understood why Shamrock was acting all pompous in the cage as if he won something. He didn't. Instead he was notorious for injuring himself (Brian Johnston, Felix Mitchell) or just laying on a weaker opponent for wins (Oleg Taktarov, Royce).

    • +p4horror Technically speaking it's true as it was called a draw at the time. Nowadays however, I think it's pretty obvious that it would've been scored towards Ken.

      If we'e talking advantages, 20+ years of BJJ probably makes up for the weight advantage if not an over compensation, at least in the first fight. Both fighters are fighting for their own cases here, iirc Royce actually entered that fight at about 190 and Ken dropped down to about 200, still a definite advantage but not quite 40 lbs.
      Being a Gracie inspired event, Iv'e actually heard about some shady practices that may have influenced certain results in their favour from changing rules on the fly to scheduling; it's also not the first time that I've heard about the time being dictated to refs during that fight by Royce's corner either.

      Not to call anyone a cheat, hate to do that without any direct evidence but I think it's fair to present all potential variables. Both of these men are legends and pioneered the sport in their own right.

  44. Royce has a point about Shamrock being 40 lbs. heavier and stronger. Shamrock should have been more aggressive and not just lay on him. Shamrock didn't win that fight, it was a draw. It's true what he states: If Klitschko could not take out Conor McGregor, he should be ashamed of himself. Back when the fight happened, I never understood why Shamrock was acting all pompous in the cage as if he won something. He didn't. Instead he was notorious for injuring himself (Brian Johnston, Felix Mitchell) or just laying on a weaker opponent for wins (Oleg Taktarov, Royce).

    • +p4horror Technically speaking it's true as it was called a draw at the time. Nowadays however, I think it's pretty obvious that it would've been scored towards Ken.

      If we'e talking advantages, 20+ years of BJJ probably makes up for the weight advantage if not an over compensation, at least in the first fight. Both fighters are fighting for their own cases here, iirc Royce actually entered that fight at about 190 and Ken dropped down to about 200, still a definite advantage but not quite 40 lbs.
      Being a Gracie inspired event, Iv'e actually heard about some shady practices that may have influenced certain results in their favour from changing rules on the fly to scheduling; it's also not the first time that I've heard about the time being dictated to refs during that fight by Royce's corner either.

      Not to call anyone a cheat, hate to do that without any direct evidence but I think it's fair to present all potential variables. Both of these men are legends and pioneered the sport in their own right.

  45. I watched that "super" fight, when it happened. Gracie(s) succeeded prior to that because he (they) wait, they step back, they wait for the opponent to attack and open themselves up then actually fight. Now Hoyce wants to hide behind GJ as a 'style' to do nothing offensively? Hold up, Ken waited defensively but still beat Hoyce's ass in UFC V. You say Ken is the one who did nothing? Hoyce sits back and fake punches and fake kicks to get the opponent to actually attack so they are open. Sorry Hoyce, Ken figured out your family's 80+ year tradition in one single fight. He then came back and dished up some of your own style AND at the same time beat your ass so that you had to be carried out of the arena.

  46. I watched that "super" fight, when it happened. Gracie(s) succeeded prior to that because he (they) wait, they step back, they wait for the opponent to attack and open themselves up then actually fight. Now Hoyce wants to hide behind GJ as a 'style' to do nothing offensively? Hold up, Ken waited defensively but still beat Hoyce's ass in UFC V. You say Ken is the one who did nothing? Hoyce sits back and fake punches and fake kicks to get the opponent to actually attack so they are open. Sorry Hoyce, Ken figured out your family's 80+ year tradition in one single fight. He then came back and dished up some of your own style AND at the same time beat your ass so that you had to be carried out of the arena.

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