On this edition of The MMA H.E.A.T. Podcast, Karyn Bryant and UFC Welterweight Alan Jouban discuss the action that went down at UFC Liverpool, where Darren Till defeated Stephen “Wonderboy” Thompson in the main event. Karyn and Alan talk about the controversial judging, the style match-up, Till missing weight and more. They also cover the Makwan Amirkhani vs Jason Knight bout from the Liverpool card. Then Karyn and Alan move on to the Bellator 200 card, where Gegard Mousasi took the Middleweight title from former champ Rafael Carvalho, Michael “Venom” Page defeated David Rickles and Phil Davis knocked out Linton Vassell. They also discuss former UFC Middleweight Champ Michael Bisping’s retirement announcement.
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Seems like this is same as what Conor went thru, everyone shitting on Till …he’s 25 still very young in his career , calm down guys he’s a pup
Wank podcast, those that score for Till no fuck all, yeh course they dont..
Actually Bisping scored it for Till so did the young fella on Ariels podcast (name escapes me), i also scored it 48-47 Till, guess i know nothing…
couldn't agree less
There is a reason these 2 aren't paid to judge fights.. KB clearly wants some of that wonderboy D
I totally agree Karen thank you for speaking up .Wonderboy won. Judges sucked all night they came up with the stupidest shit even in the prelims.
Sorry guys love the show but you have to watch wonderboys punches in slo mo… darren was evading them at the end of em kinda like rolling with em but backwards barely landed any and tills face was proof, not a scratch on him. With that said.. boring fight. Both of them shoulda went harder
Is this women one of Darren’s exes or something, dam she is salty. It was a close decision win no massive controversy so stop hyping it up like it is. Give Till some credit for a great performance I mean how many people have you seen knock down your precious Stephen.
chocolate tastes so much better in the summer. just gets on your fingers, oh well
Wonderboy landed like 3 combos and missed everything else. Til destroyed his knee and his right thigh, landed at least ONE hard shot every round then knocked wonderboy down in the 5th.
You know what I am sick of this wonderboy bullshit. His style has been found out. The top level competition will not over extend and be caught by him so any fight wonderboy is in will be like this at the top
Karyn that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. You call yourself an analsyst? Wonderboy had no choice but to back up. That is also his style
I know it was a little while ago but Anthony Pettis missed weight in his interim title fight w Holloway and Holloway still schooled him
firas zahabi has just said he thought till won and so did everyone else in the room.
The judges were appointed by the ufc and dana white.They always are when the ufc comes to the uk.Maybe you should have a word with dana.
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2 judges scored the fight 49 to 46 Till. Are you freaking kidding me.
Said it b4. I like Till. But im still waiting for the greatness.
It's been four years for Bellator under the Scott Coker regime and it's been way past time for MVP to be matched up with a Bellator step up welterweight opponent. Match him up against Andrey Koreshkov or Douglas Lima. Or even Lorenz Larkin or Jon Fitch. Even constantly disappointing Brennan Ward would be a step opponent for MVP. Chidi Njokuani moved up to middleweight after losing to Andrey Koreshkov in August 2017.
Ditto. I so agree. David Rickels is normally a lightweight fighter. That was so set up for MVP to win. Its like MVP has been cuddled his whole career. he spent majority in Bellator. He is something like 13-0 and 9-0 in Bellator. I dont know if its me but his shtick gets old after a while.
Joseph Boza David Rickels is basically a MMA fighter susceptible to getting knocked out when he steps up against better opponents in his Bellator career, twice to Michael Chandler, once to Patricky Pitbull Freire, and once to Melvin Guillard, which was ruled a no contest, but the cutting off of his brain still actually happened, and now MVP. The only measure of Michael Venom Page against a tough opponent has been against Fernando Gonzalez, which MVP didn't want to engage for the entire fight. It was just a pitiful performance.
That is why I heard when this fight was made I said to myself another gift for MVP. Its getting ridiculous. How many gifts does a fighter get in their career.
Karyn you and Michael bisping remind me of how me and my sister are. Constsntly bickering and giving eachother a hard timw. But you can tell you guys really like eachother. Is this a correct assumption?
YUP! It is very much a brother-sister relationship. We love to pick on each other, but at the end of the day we have each other's backs!
there's an Unbeatable fighter called "Hometown Darren Till" lol
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Wonder boy won that fight hands down, even john McCarthy stated that he got robbed I’m sure the fact they fought in Liverpool had nothing to do with the judges decision
Definitely thought till won that fight. 2,3,5
To say it’s ROBBERY is stupid as fuck!!!
It was a CLOSE FIGHT!!!
Till won the fight….. move on!!!
I tried to argue against my brother who has fought pro MMA and I never have been in a fight and learned that I am just wrong and needed to shut up. When the pro fighters are uniformly saying that Thompson won, then he probably should have won.
Bowmanganie well you were probably just repeating what other people said rather than stating your own unique take. Plenty of experts agree with Till's victory so your appeal to professional opinion is moot. Till said himself that some people will say WB won and some will say he won. It was a close fight.
Karyn I just love you so much! Anyway, agreed with all you and Alan's points on the fight and results. Great job as always team!
Good Ole Dana was saying Darren has never missed weight before this. Shows you that before the cerrone fight he had no idea about Till.
UFC Fight Night 109 vs Jessin Ayari he was 176 lbs. But he was coming off a 20 month absence due to injury and personal issues.He said his body wasnt used to cutting weight. I dont believe what comes out of danas mouth he is so full of it at times.
My man Jouban! Where does his cool ass nickname 'Brahma' come from?
Why is the UFC not going after Michael venom page
I need a Answer
No mention of Brazillian judges then?
Wonderboy lost that fight after he got dropped in the 5th, plus nobody wants to see Wonderboy-Woodley 3. NO Thank you!!!
Knight-Amirkhani was a draw. First round was a 10/8. I wanna see a rematch, there's still too much hostility in between those two…
_Just my Opinion
Good analysis. Now let's watch the people in the comments continue to argue against professional MMA analysts and fighters.
John Jordan opinions and assholes man.
we need more ass kissers like you, (borat's voice) high five !!
Kevin Lewis we also need less assholes, like you.
vernon hampton, are you the asshole detector now…!?maybe i am an asshole but how would you know? cause i sometimes disagreed with precious karyn…..get yourself a personality,you would get laid more often
Professional jock sniffers
I had it 3-2 for WB which seems to be the consensus (including most mma journalists, analysts and even John McCarthy). 49-46 for Till is outrageous to say the least and it's either because of the incompetence of the judges or corruption.
I think DRAW or Darren won cuz that time he dropped Wonderboy was dam near the only hit on both parts that connected lol.. TILL DIDNT LOSE, and watch again
Um???? Karyn Bryant I THOUGHT THE SAME THING…GO BACK and WATCH slow motion before u make any more vids with that much passion that he won..NO NO>>>he didn't watch again please.>I KNOW WHAT U MEAN….trust me, A LOTTTTTT of the strikes wonderboy threw I THOUGH connected even a lil, WATCH!!! He didn't hit Till Maybe 2 times!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! its so different when u go back and watch slow mo…omg Darren did a masterful performance that in my opinion..DIDNT HURT STEPHON on purpose!!! Darren has the power sight and knowledge hoiw to KICK OFF ANY TRAINED FIGHTERS HEAD!!! Including ANY FIGHTER…Darren makes me made he don't let go with the power and speed he has. When he throws with wreck less abandonment lol he will BREAK YOUR ARMS if you block
im just here for karyn..
till vs usman next
I love Rory, he is lReliable and though like Toyota land cruiser, but Moussasi is another level, he is going to smash Rory.
Its a pitty Gerard doesnt get more attention. Till is a great prospect but if you compare the attention the Ufc is still the benchmark. Hope to see this change. It would be good for the figthing game
Gegard was getting to the point where he could have gotten a UFC Middleweight Championship after beating Chris Weidman but the prior was that we already knew that it was GSP vs Bisping. Gegard wasnt the type in UFC to talk trash. Thanks to Conor and Ronda it isnt how you fight but the stuff that comes out of his mouth. With him in Bellator and on a 7 fight win streak, I think he will get that attention.
It was a really close fight but it wasn't 49-46 so the judges have no idea what they're doing.
Octagon control, Damage, Knockdown. 3 things for me that gave Till the decision. Wonderboy can't expect to win just by backing up and don't being aggressive
Americans keep saying the fight was soooo close yet they all give it to Wonderboy lol if it was sooooo close why are you all complaining? now people are saying the stats are wrong? hahaha butthurt Americans. Your man was almost out cold
pride scoring (who would you rather be at the end)-it's obvious till won–wonderboy knocked down and wonderboy even admitted (besides the huge bruise) the leg kicks did damage
If anyone thinks those judges were correct. You have never had a fight. Just like judges, they couldn't throw a party, never mind a jab.
Thanks for giving Wonderboy the fight, in your opinions. Wonderboy is a role model. Wonderboy was robbed, he won 3 rounds. Those judges were terrible like Jason Knight fight was a robbery too.
Love your squeaky noises you make Karen when you almost talk.very cute.
she is animal
Robert xerxes she is the best mma journalist.
This guy said i mute audio nd then said the fans in liverpool didnt make noise wtf you r lisnin they love till sing song it didnt top dublin my reson behind it liverpool lose in game nd till missing weight nd wonderboy was running all time but still when till entrence music hit croud erupt in us u didnt see croud that loud i smell jelous here
Hardeep Johal Those judges were terrible like Jason Knight fight? Liverpool should never go back to that, dump.
Karyn I hear you are a Fox employee?? Are we losing you when Ufc moves??? Say it isn't so!!!!!
The irish fans ain't better than the Scousers these americans are just getting really petty
just watched it again!!! could have gone bout ways…. even a draw!!!
Simple, if you don’t make weight the fight Is off. The responsibility of fighting an overweight fighter should not be left to the fighter that did make weight.
The ufc should pay 50% show money when a fighter starts camp. If said fighter doesn’t make weight the fight is off the penalized fighter next camp monies goes to the fighter that made weight in the previous bout.
The consequences of missing weight is not steep enough at this point
F G Type Zero 0 agreed. Dana would have flipped out on wonderboy if he didnt take the fight. He would of got some prelim treatment after that.
None of Thompson's strikes were significant
There was no controversy at all. Karyn you should be ashamed of your performance on fox the other night, after till won i thought you were a disgrace. The post fight show aired on BT sports in the UK after the main event
Boom boom Coyle Shut your face. Those judges were terrible like Jason Knight fight was a robbery. English judging Bastards.
Irish Technical Thinker knight last that fight 2-1 knight never deserved a 3-0. Till easily won 3 rounds he schooled him, landed the harder more meaningful shots and controlled everything. Wonderboy barely even engaged he knew till fucked the weight till should've been more depleted then he was
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Till won.
wonderboy didn't do shit ,kept on running, strike here and there, he already had 2 chances at the belt and didn't do nothing, Till was the aggressor, younger guy and host in front of his crowd,I am ok with the decision
His 1st title shot was a great fight. 2nd not as good, but it was still a good fight. Imo
Fightnetric said till landed 30% of attempts… i call bullshit i watched him wiff on punch after punch sometimes 15 in a row
i scored it for till live. gave him the last 3 rounds. i just re-watched rd 3. that was a close one. i dont mind giving it to till, maybe thompson had a little better punches in, but it was close so you could go to that control criteria. after watching i would give it to WB, but thats not a robbery at all.
Nicolas Hoffmann Those judges were terrible. The Jason Knight fight? You would make a excellent Liverpool judge.
that knight fight was much more onesided and sure the judges totally blew it. cant see how that is connected to that till controversy. the mainevent was much more close.
What happened to your skin tone Karyn ?
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Till messed Thompson’s knee up, knocked him down, stifled all of Thompson’s attacks, till had way more cage control. Thompson took way more damage. On second viewing Till won, although the rounds were close
Craig Newman Fake it Till you make it. Darren Till lost.
Irish Technical Thinker Did you lose money on the fight or something mate? Seeing a lot of posts from you claiming robbery. It certainly was not a robbery, round 1 to 4 were razor close, the only clear round was the 5th with the knockdown plus the only other significant damage was done by Till with the kick to Thompsons lead leg. So yeah, it was no robbery, it was a very close fight.
Also that "Fake it Till you make it" line is poor AF!!!
Cage control only becomes a judging criterion if both striking & grappling are dead even. Thompson landed either more of or the more effective strikes in rds one through three, Till rds 4 & 5. Very close fight
I did not see one clean strike from Wonderboy, what are these two talking about,?! Americans are severely butthurt. Fake all American good boys and girls – Holly, Wonderboy, Weidman, too F-ing annoying
Someone obviously lied to you that you are funny…that's animal cruelty
Йордан Василев i didnt see one clean strike- Ray Charles.
Lukas Tanner Oops, another all American, cookie eating, fake-saint hypocryte Gaylord fucker
The only thing I would argue with is “wonderboy landed much more to the face”. Fair enough he landed more to the face but by a very small margin. Much of the time on a second viewing Till evaded some shots that appeared to land. I would also argue Till did more damage, though not by much. Draw would of been the fair result imo but watching live I did give it to Wonderboy.
jameslock1 couldn't believe he said that. Pretty sure he mentioned "damage" in the same thought which is silly given that shots to the face does not automatically equate to damage and certainly isn't the only place to do damage. We have proof of that in Thompson's leg.
people act like Till didnt land anything he landed body kicks leg kicks and some left hands also thomspon missed alot … this was a close fight you make it sound like thompson completely dominated… bisping also said on his podcast that he scored it for till
trubka defekt Fake it Till you make it. Darren Tilly Tubby flogged you a dead horse too lol
Arnold allen's comeback submission win was the highlight of that fight card for me. 4 wins in a row in the UFC FW division. He's still a bit raw, but he keeps getting those wins. Fun kid, too.
Wonderbread's fault for leaving it to the judges. That guy is a one trick pony.
ThumbsUpMan um pretty sure it’s both Tills and Wonderboys fault it went to decision. Wonderboy did not fight himself
Must have done the podcast at midnight.
The fight was a draw for me. I have a very hard time giving either fighter 3 rounds. That said, Till absolutely shouldn't get a title shot off of that "win", especially considering he was a Middleweight fighting a welterweight, and unlike what Dana said at the post presser, Till has missed weight before, this was not a one time thing.
Till vs Usman may end up being a title eliminator. I think he is being punished way too much for making weight when his mind wasnt on camp due to a family emergency. Pretty sure he would have made 170 lbs if he was forced.
He is too proud to admit that he missed weight due to a family emergency. He knows that he wouldnt get the shot anyway due to missing weight. At least he is mature to realize that.
Very true and insightful. At least Till isn't acting like Mackenzie Dern.
Joseph Boza I agree. I wouldn't think much of the people bashing him for it. It's just a bandwagon thing ever since Dern missed by 7lbs. He has acted as mature about it as anyone could ask for, which is what those people seem to be ignoring. Dana is also completely confident that Till can make 170 going forward. He seems to be one of the few who actually wants Usman so I'd love to see that too.
I think Darren can make 170 lbs going forward. I usually give fighters 1 to 2 passes before I think they should move up weight. Things outside the octagon can sometimes happen where the fighters have to shift their focus and it aint their fault. I posted for anybody a link in my original comment the mmafighting.com preview show where a journalist who was there in the room after the shit hit the fan where Darren was 174.5 and he went into detail what that family emergency was and its understandable. Here is it incase you guys cant find it in my original comment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDPa7QA-wug
Till won i watched again nd again it was close but wonderboy was running till was controlling the fight but its dosent matter nothing gonna change
I lost 25 minutes of my life which I could have spent staring at the wall.
Hardeep Johal Those judges were terrible like Jason Knight fight was a robbery too.
No live no like. Just kidding I like it alot!