MMA H.E.A.T. Podcast #161: Till vs Wonderboy Controversy; Champ Mousasi; Bisping Retires

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On this edition of The MMA H.E.A.T. Podcast, Karyn Bryant and UFC Welterweight Alan Jouban discuss the action that went down at UFC Liverpool, where Darren Till defeated Stephen “Wonderboy” Thompson in the main event. Karyn and Alan talk about the controversial judging, the style match-up, Till missing weight and more. They also cover the Makwan Amirkhani vs Jason Knight bout from the Liverpool card. Then Karyn and Alan move on to the Bellator 200 card, where Gegard Mousasi took the Middleweight title from former champ Rafael Carvalho, Michael “Venom” Page defeated David Rickles and Phil Davis knocked out Linton Vassell. They also discuss former UFC Middleweight Champ Michael Bisping’s retirement announcement.

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109 Comments on "MMA H.E.A.T. Podcast #161: Till vs Wonderboy Controversy; Champ Mousasi; Bisping Retires"

  1. Sorry guys love the show but you have to watch wonderboys punches in slo mo… darren was evading them at the end of em kinda like rolling with em but backwards barely landed any and tills face was proof, not a scratch on him. With that said.. boring fight. Both of them shoulda went harder

  2. Is this women one of Darren’s exes or something, dam she is salty. It was a close decision win no massive controversy so stop hyping it up like it is. Give Till some credit for a great performance I mean how many people have you seen knock down your precious Stephen.

  3. This is a very short week. We are back Friday in Utica, New York of all places for UFC Fight Night 131: Rivera vs Moraes

    Fight Pass Prelims @ 630PM/330PM
    Flyweight Division
    Jose Torres 6-0 vs. Jared Brooks 13-1: 1-1

    Bantamweight Division
    Johnny Edurado 28-11: 3-4 vs. Nathaniel Wood 13-3

    Womens Strawweight Division
    Jessica Aguilar 19-6; 0-2 vs. Jodie Esquibel 6-3: 0-1

    Fox Sports 1 Prelims @ 8PM/5PM
    Lightweight Division
    Desmond Green 20-7: 1-2 vs. Glesion Tibau 33-13: 15-10

    Welterweight Division
    Chance Recountre 12-2 vs. Belai Muhammed 13-2: 4-2

    Lightweight DIvision
    Nik Lentz 28-8-2, 1NC: 12-5-1, 1NC vs. David Teymur 7-1: 4-0

    Women's Flyweight Division
    2. Sijara Eubanks 2-2 vs. 3. Lauren Murphy 10-3: 3-3

    Main Card on FS1 @ 10PM/7PM
    Light Heayweight Division
    15. Gian Villante 16-9: 6-6 vs. Sam Alvey 32-10, 1NC: 9-5

    Featherweight Division
    Julio Arce 14-2: 1-0 vs. Daniel Teymur 6-1: 0-1

    Welterweight Division
    Jake Ellenberger 31-13: 10-9 vs. Ben Saunders 21-9-2: 3-3

    Heavyweight DIvision
    Walt Harris 10-7: 3-6 vs. Daniel Spitz 6-1: 1-1

    Lightweight Division
    Gregor Gillespe 11-0: 4-0 vs. Vinc Pinchel 11-1: 4-1

    Bantamweight Division
    4. Jimmie Rivera 21-1: 5-0 vs. 5. Marlon Moraes 20-5-1: 2-1

  4. It's been four years for Bellator under the Scott Coker regime and it's been way past time for MVP to be matched up with a Bellator step up welterweight opponent. Match him up against Andrey Koreshkov or Douglas Lima. Or even Lorenz Larkin or Jon Fitch. Even constantly disappointing Brennan Ward would be a step opponent for MVP. Chidi Njokuani moved up to middleweight after losing to Andrey Koreshkov in August 2017.

    • Ditto. I so agree. David Rickels is normally a lightweight fighter. That was so set up for MVP to win. Its like MVP has been cuddled his whole career. he spent majority in Bellator. He is something like 13-0 and 9-0 in Bellator. I dont know if its me but his shtick gets old after a while.

    • Joseph Boza David Rickels is basically a MMA fighter susceptible to getting knocked out when he steps up against better opponents in his Bellator career, twice to Michael Chandler, once to Patricky Pitbull Freire, and once to Melvin Guillard, which was ruled a no contest, but the cutting off of his brain still actually happened, and now MVP. The only measure of Michael Venom Page against a tough opponent has been against Fernando Gonzalez, which MVP didn't want to engage for the entire fight. It was just a pitiful performance.

  5. Karyn you and Michael bisping remind me of how me and my sister are. Constsntly bickering and giving eachother a hard timw. But you can tell you guys really like eachother. Is this a correct assumption?

  6. I tried to argue against my brother who has fought pro MMA and I never have been in a fight and learned that I am just wrong and needed to shut up. When the pro fighters are uniformly saying that Thompson won, then he probably should have won.

    • Bowmanganie well you were probably just repeating what other people said rather than stating your own unique take. Plenty of experts agree with Till's victory so your appeal to professional opinion is moot. Till said himself that some people will say WB won and some will say he won. It was a close fight.

    • UFC Fight Night 109 vs Jessin Ayari he was 176 lbs. But he was coming off a 20 month absence due to injury and personal issues.He said his body wasnt used to cutting weight. I dont believe what comes out of danas mouth he is so full of it at times.

  7. Wonderboy lost that fight after he got dropped in the 5th, plus nobody wants to see Wonderboy-Woodley 3. NO Thank you!!!
    Knight-Amirkhani was a draw. First round was a 10/8. I wanna see a rematch, there's still too much hostility in between those two…
    _Just my Opinion

  8. J

    I had it 3-2 for WB which seems to be the consensus (including most mma journalists, analysts and even John McCarthy). 49-46 for Till is outrageous to say the least and it's either because of the incompetence of the judges or corruption.

  9. Um???? Karyn Bryant I THOUGHT THE SAME THING…GO BACK and WATCH slow motion before u make any more vids with that much passion that he won..NO NO>>>he didn't watch again please.>I KNOW WHAT U MEAN….trust me, A LOTTTTTT of the strikes wonderboy threw I THOUGH connected even a lil, WATCH!!! He didn't hit Till Maybe 2 times!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! its so different when u go back and watch slow mo…omg Darren did a masterful performance that in my opinion..DIDNT HURT STEPHON on purpose!!! Darren has the power sight and knowledge hoiw to KICK OFF ANY TRAINED FIGHTERS HEAD!!! Including ANY FIGHTER…Darren makes me made he don't let go with the power and speed he has. When he throws with wreck less abandonment lol he will BREAK YOUR ARMS if you block

  10. Its a pitty Gerard doesnt get more attention. Till is a great prospect but if you compare the attention the Ufc is still the benchmark. Hope to see this change. It would be good for the figthing game

    • Gegard was getting to the point where he could have gotten a UFC Middleweight Championship after beating Chris Weidman but the prior was that we already knew that it was GSP vs Bisping. Gegard wasnt the type in UFC to talk trash. Thanks to Conor and Ronda it isnt how you fight but the stuff that comes out of his mouth. With him in Bellator and on a 7 fight win streak, I think he will get that attention.

  11. Americans keep saying the fight was soooo close yet they all give it to Wonderboy lol if it was sooooo close why are you all complaining? now people are saying the stats are wrong? hahaha butthurt Americans. Your man was almost out cold

  12. This guy said i mute audio nd then said the fans in liverpool didnt make noise wtf you r lisnin they love till sing song it didnt top dublin my reson behind it liverpool lose in game nd till missing weight nd wonderboy was running all time but still when till entrence music hit croud erupt in us u didnt see croud that loud i smell jelous here

  13. Simple, if you don’t make weight the fight Is off. The responsibility of fighting an overweight fighter should not be left to the fighter that did make weight.

    The ufc should pay 50% show money when a fighter starts camp. If said fighter doesn’t make weight the fight is off the penalized fighter next camp monies goes to the fighter that made weight in the previous bout.

    The consequences of missing weight is not steep enough at this point

  14. wonderboy didn't do shit ,kept on running, strike here and there, he already had 2 chances at the belt and didn't do nothing, Till was the aggressor, younger guy and host in front of his crowd,I am ok with the decision

  15. i scored it for till live. gave him the last 3 rounds. i just re-watched rd 3. that was a close one. i dont mind giving it to till, maybe thompson had a little better punches in, but it was close so you could go to that control criteria. after watching i would give it to WB, but thats not a robbery at all.

  16. Till messed Thompson’s knee up, knocked him down, stifled all of Thompson’s attacks, till had way more cage control. Thompson took way more damage. On second viewing Till won, although the rounds were close

    • Irish Technical Thinker Did you lose money on the fight or something mate? Seeing a lot of posts from you claiming robbery. It certainly was not a robbery, round 1 to 4 were razor close, the only clear round was the 5th with the knockdown plus the only other significant damage was done by Till with the kick to Thompsons lead leg. So yeah, it was no robbery, it was a very close fight.
      Also that "Fake it Till you make it" line is poor AF!!!

    • Cage control only becomes a judging criterion if both striking & grappling are dead even. Thompson landed either more of or the more effective strikes in rds one through three, Till rds 4 & 5. Very close fight

  17. The only thing I would argue with is “wonderboy landed much more to the face”. Fair enough he landed more to the face but by a very small margin. Much of the time on a second viewing Till evaded some shots that appeared to land. I would also argue Till did more damage, though not by much. Draw would of been the fair result imo but watching live I did give it to Wonderboy.

    • jameslock1 couldn't believe he said that. Pretty sure he mentioned "damage" in the same thought which is silly given that shots to the face does not automatically equate to damage and certainly isn't the only place to do damage. We have proof of that in Thompson's leg.

  18. people act like Till didnt land anything he landed body kicks leg kicks and some left hands also thomspon missed alot … this was a close fight you make it sound like thompson completely dominated… bisping also said on his podcast that he scored it for till

  19. Arnold allen's comeback submission win was the highlight of that fight card for me. 4 wins in a row in the UFC FW division. He's still a bit raw, but he keeps getting those wins. Fun kid, too.

  20. The fight was a draw for me. I have a very hard time giving either fighter 3 rounds. That said, Till absolutely shouldn't get a title shot off of that "win", especially considering he was a Middleweight fighting a welterweight, and unlike what Dana said at the post presser, Till has missed weight before, this was not a one time thing.

    • Till vs Usman may end up being a title eliminator. I think he is being punished way too much for making weight when his mind wasnt on camp due to a family emergency. Pretty sure he would have made 170 lbs if he was forced.

    • Joseph Boza I agree. I wouldn't think much of the people bashing him for it. It's just a bandwagon thing ever since Dern missed by 7lbs. He has acted as mature about it as anyone could ask for, which is what those people seem to be ignoring. Dana is also completely confident that Till can make 170 going forward. He seems to be one of the few who actually wants Usman so I'd love to see that too.

    • I think Darren can make 170 lbs going forward. I usually give fighters 1 to 2 passes before I think they should move up weight. Things outside the octagon can sometimes happen where the fighters have to shift their focus and it aint their fault. I posted for anybody a link in my original comment the preview show where a journalist who was there in the room after the shit hit the fan where Darren was 174.5 and he went into detail what that family emergency was and its understandable. Here is it incase you guys cant find it in my original comment.

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